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Welcome to Powerful Business Strategies, where you will find out
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that everything you have ever learned about growing your business
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is wrong. Finally, a show where you'll learn the right
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way to grow your business by learning business and financial
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strategies that your competition isn't doing. And now here's your host.
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Resident of Next Step CFO Michael Barbarita and joining Michael
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for today's show as an executive moderator is chooky obia.
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Yes, this is chooky, and I believe that gratitude is
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undefeated and growth is about the next step. And it
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is an honor for me to moderate today's discussion with
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my good friend Michael.
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Michael, how are you great. How's it going, Chookey, It's
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going well, excellent, and yes, my name is Michael bab Rita,
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President of Next Step CFO, and Next Step CFO is
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a fractional CFO and strategic implementation firm, and our vision
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is to ensure overwhelmed business owners achieve the time, freedom
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and consistent profits to build a legacy and live the
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life they desire. Our mission is dedicated to guiding small
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business owners to leveraging their time, exploding their profits, and
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build a meaningful legacy. This show, Powerful Business Strategies and
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our book of the same name, is a step toward
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accomplishing that vision and mission. And so with that, I'd
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like to hand it back to my co author and
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moderator for the show, Choky Obio. Michael, thank you.
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Look, we have a number of business owners coast to
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coast joining us for today's episode, and Michael, I think
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it would be worthwhile for us to just acknowledge that
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a number of these business owners have been devastated by
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the hurricane and again our thoughts and prayers, and we
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really appreciate in fact, some of these folks are so
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loyal to the show that they're still joining even with
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some of the detrimental and devastating effects that they've been
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dealing with.
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So thanks to all of you.
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Now, Michael and I we've planned a really insightful, really
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robust conversation today. So just a quick disclaimer, Michael and
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I are both affiliated with a number of different organizations
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and I currently serve as the managing director of business
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Development for Vetter Price, which is a global business focused
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law firm. In addition to that, it is truly inspiring
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for me to collaborate with Michael to moderate business roundtables
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really across the country to be honest with business owners
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all over where we share insights, practical insights from our book,
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Powerful Business Strategies, and we also document new insights as
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we work on newer and newer editions of the book.
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But please note that the opinions that will be expressed
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in the show are our personal opinions based on our
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personal success and experiences. But my mission as a fearless
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leader and moderator in our discussion really is to just
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ask the right questions to help you the listener, learn
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the best business strategy strategies and then just share with
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you what the competition isn't doing right, and Michael, I'll
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toss it back over to you. You've really set the
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tone for this great work that we do with your leadership,
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with both your CEO and CFO experience, I know today's
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topic is one that's really in high demand from a
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number of small business owners.
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So I'll talk back over to you.
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Thank you to you. Kena and I too share your
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concerns and are certainly our prayers for the people who've
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been devastated by this hurricane in Florida and North Carolina.
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We've I've actually been in communication with a lot of
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a couple of business owners down there, uh and it's
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it's truly devastating, and our prayers are with them. So
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it seems insignificant. But so today's show is about developing
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a referral strategy and creating strategic alliances and joint venture relationships.
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And one of the strategic relationships I built as a
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ski retailer was with a large ski club in the
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Boston area. Now, we used to do fashion shows for
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them and support and promote their ski trips, and they
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used to endorse us as the ski shop of that club,
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and we, as a result, had many speaking opportunities to
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promote our stores and and this worked out tremendously for
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both sides. Nice. And the concepts I'm going to talk
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about today is how that you know is basically the
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same Those kind of concepts that I use to start
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that relationship are the same concepts I'm going to talk
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about today.
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Great.
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So it's remarkable, Michael, and this topic of strategic partnerships
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and joint ventures just I'm kind of fascinated by it.
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In fact, we're already getting a number of comments and
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questions and we'll get to those for those of you
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sending your comments and questions, But let me team Michael
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up with just this question. Michael, and you're really picking
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your wisdom and your brain on this. Can you describe,
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in your opinion what a referral strategy is?
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Excellent? Yeah? Well, the thing the thing is, you know
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you mentioned the word it's a strategy. Yeah, and CHOOKI.
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When you when you speak to a lot of business
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owners like we do, you ask them, hey, what's your
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number one form of lead generation?
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Correct?
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They typically say referral or word of mouth, and he
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is referral lead generation. Although great, it's hard to scale
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because you just never know when somebody is going to
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refer to you, or when someone's going to speak your
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name in a positive way and someone's going to become calling.
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Because we don't know that it is difficult to scale,
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but it doesn't mean that it's not effective, and it
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doesn't mean that we're not going to talk about ways
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that you can scale it in this show. So you know,
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we do know that referrals just awesome ways to get
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leads because they're from someone they know, like and trust.
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But the challenge in many cases is the business owner
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doesn't have a strategy behind controlling those referrals intentionally. So
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let's get into the heart of this, right Michael.
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And there are number of business owners listening, and some
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of them are skeptical, right, you know, they get your
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point about how this is a strategy. They get the
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point about how this is something that they really should
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invest some time and effort in. So question for you,
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how do you typically go and address these issues with
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business owners?
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I mean, who.
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Maybe they're not necessarily getting referrals and they're not necessarily
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actually kind of building out a strategy for them, So
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how can they prepare for their growth?
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Excellent? Well, yeah, the key thing is if you think
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about it. When a person does business with you, they've
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exchanged money. They're giving you money in exchange for goods
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and services, and that's certainly a great thing. And when
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they're satisfied and they tell someone else, that makes it
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even better. So the strategy, and first of all, let's
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define what a strategy is, because a lot of people
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aren't really clear as to what a strategy is. A strategy,
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strategies and powerful business strategies is what we talk about
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on this show, So we should obviously define what a
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strategy is. A strategy is a series of tactics done
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over and over again in the same exact order in
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order to get a predictable result. So with the referral strategy,
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we have a happy customer, so we want to make
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it part of our sales process that as soon as
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that person buys, we know that they're happy, then we
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implement the referral strategy so we can manage it, track
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it and make sure it's effective.
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That's a remarkable point, Michael, and I too think you
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know a lot of times when you're building out a strategy.
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Business owners who I know both personally and professionally, and
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I've worked with in the past, they'll sort of they'll
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execute the referral strategy upfront with people that they've already
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worked with. Now is that the right way to do
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that or is it better to execute it when they
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actually sort of have someone in mind that they want
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to refer And how would you advise on making sure
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that you know people are out there you're working for
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you in some ways, right, I mean this are not employees,
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but these are satisfied, effective patrons of your business, right,
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they're out kind of working for you and spreading the
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good message about your business.
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How do you make sure of that?
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Yeah, that's a great question. So what I found, Choky,
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is that the best time to ask for a referrals
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when the customer is the happiest. Typically typically typically that's
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at the point of purchase or when they've seen a
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result of some kind. That's when they're really happy and
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they want to tell the world about you and brag
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about how great you are. So that that's where you
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want to implement that strategy when they're the happiest. It
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could be at the beginning of the process, and we
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have a strategy for that I'll talk about later on,
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but it could be also at the end of the
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process or where you know you did something great for that. Now,
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so let me share an example. So here's here's something
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a car dealership implement that that was incredibly successful, and
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they did it after the customer was happy. So a
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person bought a car and the car came back from cleanup.
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It's nice and shiny, it's pretty. The buyer is excited,
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they've gotten their little walk around. They're ready to take
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it home. So that's the perfect time to ask for referrals.
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And let me tell you the strategy that was implemented
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in this particular dealership that increased their sales by forty
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percent from justice one referral strategy, and it also increased
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this is interesting, it also increased their gross profit on
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those deals by seventy percent versus the people who bought
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without knowing them. In other words, they were able to
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get higher prices from the referred business versus walk ins.
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But here was the strategy. So once the salesperson and
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the customer did the final walk around, the customer was
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satisfied before they left, they would take either a twenty
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fifty or one hundred dollars bill. So let's for this example,
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let's say they used a fifty dollar bill. So they
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took a fifty dollar bill nice and Chris, nice and new,
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and then rip it in half and they say, here
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you go, mister and missus. Customer, take the half of
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the fifty dollar bill. Now, if you'd like the other half,
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go on your phone and think about five people right
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now who you know that, whether it's now or sometime
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in the future, may be looking to purchase another car.
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And the customer would just write down the names and
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contact information, and then the salesman gave the other half
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of the fifty dollar bill. Now, if they wanted ten referrals,
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guess what, they pulled out the hundred dollar bill and
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did the same thing. So here's the you know and
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the customer you know. After they pulled out their phone,
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here are ten names and phone numbers. That was an
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amazing strategy, and they did it with every single delivery
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of a car. And this example brings up a lot
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of different impact strategies that we talk about all the time,
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one being that this strategy increased the number of leads
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but also the conversion rates. But the point is is
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that these referral strategies are best implemented at the peak
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of somebody's happiness when they're purchasing, when the customer service
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is the greatest, and you ask at that point, and
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it really does help a lift a lot of businesses.
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Those businesses and business owners who maybe just haven't really
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thought about this before. Right, And they're listening now, and
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you know, maybe even later they'll listen sort of on
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the replay and they're saying, you know what, that all
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sounds good, Right, I want a forty percent increase in sales.
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How do I even get started? How do I begin?
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Well? Chokey, when when you listen to shows like this
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and get the examples we share, it stimulates the mind
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to think about something that would be of value to
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your cut to the people who are listening, to the
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small business owners who are listening their customers. And first
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of all, the expectation is when you're certain that you're
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going to deliver on your promise, then you ask someone
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to refer someone else to give. That's when you ask
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someone to refer someone else to which you're going to
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deliver the same value to them. And it may, by
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the way, it makes that person who referred you look
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good as well. Yeah. So here's another example of another
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referral strategy that we've seen. And once again, we have
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to be certain that we're going to get the outcomes
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for our clients and they know that they desire because
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this is a front end of the relationship strategy versus
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the back end with the car dealership. So in this example,
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and by the way, a little later on, I want
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to talk about being confident your product, but I'll get
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to that. But in this example, the company has an
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expectation of a customer to tell others, and so in
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their upfront agreements Chooky, it's part of their agreement that