Jan. 14, 2025

Mastering the Sales Process: Why Traditional Selling Doesn't Work Anymore

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A comprehensive exploration of the modern sales landscape, revealing why traditional sales techniques are failing and introducing a revolutionary approach to closing deals in today's market.

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Welcome to Powerful Business Strategies, where you will find out

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that everything you have ever learned about growing your business

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is wrong. Finally, a show where you'll learn the right

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way to grow your business by learning business and financial

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strategies that your competition isn't doing. And now here's your host.

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Resident of NeXTSTEP CFO Michael Barbarita and joining Michael for

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today's show as an executive moderator is chooky obia.

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Yes, this is chokey, and I believe that gratitude is

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undefeated and growth is about the next step. It is

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an honor for me to moderate today's discussion with my

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good friend Michael.

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Michael, how are you at Choky, How is your weekend?

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It's nice? Yeah, excellent. Well, as Chukey said, my name

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is Michael Barbery, the president of Next Step CFO and

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next Step CFO is a fractional CFO and strategic implementation

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firm and business owners hire us to double their profit

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to implementing business and financial strategies that their competition isn't doing.

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And our vision is to ensure that overwhelmed business owners

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achieve the time, freedom, and consistent profits to build a

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legacy and the life that they desire. Our mission is

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dedicated to guiding small business owners to leveraging their time,

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exploding their profits, and building a meaningful legacy. The show

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Powerful Business Strategies and the book of the same name

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is a step toward accomplishing that vision and mission. And

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so with that, I'd like to hand it back to

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my co author and moderator for the show, Chooky Obio.

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Michael, It's remarkable that you talk about building a meaningful

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legacy because the topic today is just quite on point

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as it relates to that. So the topic today is

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mastering the sales process, why traditional selling doesn't work anymore.

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So really energize to pick up on all the insights

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Michael that you've prepared for us. So look, a quick

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disclaimer folks before we get started. We know there are

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a number of business leaders and owners listening coast to coast.

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Michael and I are both affiliated with a number of

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different organizations, and I currently serve as the managing director

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of business Development for Vetterprice, a global business focused law firm.

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In addition to that, it's truly an honor to collaborate

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with Michael to moderate business roundtables and document insights from

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those roundtables as part of our book, Powerful Business Strategies.

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But please note that the views expressed on this show

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our personal views based on those successful experiences with business

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owners and a roundtables, and look, our mission is to

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ensure that you get access to strategic insights and implementation

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steps that the competition isn't doing. So with that, I

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want to sass it back over to Michael.

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Thank you, Chocky. Before I get into the one minute

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inspirational opening, I have a little tidbit that I'd like

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to share that I thought about over the weekend, and

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I forgot that I even did this back in the eighties.

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One of the things that I did because we spent

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five hundred thousand dollars a year on advertising, and at

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the time, of course it was just radio and newspaper

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and direct mail. But what we did was we set

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up a separate company that was an advertising agency. And

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the reason why we did that is we got a

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fifteen percent commission if an advertising agency books the commercials.

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And by the way, this can happen on Facebook as well.

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I believe I'm pretty sure that this is also happening

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there and any online advertising. But at the time, at

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least when we booked any type of commercials under our

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advertising agency, we received a fifteen percent commission, and so

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we got our five hundred thousand dollars of advertising all

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discounted at fifteen percent because we used an advertising agency

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to book the ads, to book all the marketing, and

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so our advertising would have been five hundred and ninety

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thousand if we didn't do this. We actually saved ninety

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thousand dollars by booking just coming up with a shell

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of a company. By the way it called at the time,

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it was called able advertising agency, and just by using

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that shell of a company to book the advertising, we

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got a fifty percent discount. So I just wanted to

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throw that out there for those out there that are

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doing a lot of advertising, it might be able to

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find a way to make it less expensive. So, in

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my one minute inspirational opening today to every business owner

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listening right now, this moment is for you. In a

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world where so many choose the safer path, you choose

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to be bold. You're the ones wake up early and

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stay up late, not because someone told you to, but

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because that dream inside you demands it. Every day you

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carry the weight of payroll decisions and countless responsibilities on

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your shoulders, yet you keep moving forward. You're not just

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running a business. You're creating opportunities, building futures, and shaping communities.

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And when others see these problems, you see possibilities. And

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when they see roadblocks, you find detours. And when they

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say it can't be done, you find a way. The

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world may not always see the sacrifices you make, the

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risks you take, or the sleepless nights that you endure,

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but we see you. We see your courage, your resilience.

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You're unwavering determination. You're not just entrepreneurs, you're pioneers, innovators,

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and the backbone of our economy. So today take a

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moment to recognize your own strength. Remember that your journey,

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with all of its challenges in victories, is making a difference.

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Keep pushing forward, keep dreaming bigger, keep breaking barriers, because

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what you do matters not just to your business, but

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to every life you touch through it. You are the

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dreamers who dare to do and for that we honor you, Michael.

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That is so inspirational.

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Great, thank you, Chivy. So every transformation in business history

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has created both winners and losers, and right now we're

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experiencing the biggest shift in sales methodology since the invention

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of the telephone, and the old ways of selling, quite frankly,

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are dying. But this isn't bad news. It's an opportunity.

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And the businesses that adapt to this new reality aren't

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just surviving this thriving and they're closing bigger deals with

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higher profit margins and less time. Today you'll learn exactly

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how to be one of these winners. And the future

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of sales isn't about working harder, it's about working smarter.

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And by the end of the show you'll know exactly

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how to make this change in your business. So today

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we're tackling a critical issue that's affecting every business, why

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traditional selling doesn't work anymore, and what you need to

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do about it. So let me share some startling statistics.

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Traditional sales approaches are now failing at an unprecedented rate.

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Called cold calling. Success rates have dropped below one percent.

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Email response rates have plummeted by forty seven percent in

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the last five years. Traditional sales presentation of presentations are

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being ignored or rejected at historic levels. But here's what's interesting.

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While most businesses are struggling with sales, a small group

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of companies are experiencing record growth that closing deals faster

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at higher prices with less resistance. But what's their secret. Well,

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they've recognized and adapted to three fundamental shifts in the marketplace.

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What is I call the power shift. These are buyers

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now have more information and options than ever before. Second

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is the trust revolution. Traditional sales tactics are now actively

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destroying trust. And third is the value of elution. What

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customers consider valuable as fundamentally changed. So today I'm going

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to show you a sales framework, quite frankly, a revolutionary

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or new approach that's certainly something to consider and we'll

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cover why traditional sales techniques are actually hurting your business,

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will cover the exact process top performance are using the

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close deals, will cover how to change your sales approach

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without losing momentum. And we'll cover specific strategies for increasing

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both closing rates and profit margins. But most importantly, you'll

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learn how to implement these changes in your business immediately

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without disrupting your current sales operations. And this isn't theory,

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it's proven methodology that's already been working in business today.

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So let's stop by understanding exactly why traditional sales approaches

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are failing and what's replacing them. Be tuned with that

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petted paper as we break down exactly how to implement

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this in your business. And if you're driving, don't worry.

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You can catch this up so again at at our

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podcast on Powerful Business Strategies dot com. So to understand

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why traditional selling is failing, we need to examine the

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three major shifts that have changed the sales landscape. More importantly,

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we need to understand how to adapt to these changes.

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So let's look at each shift in detail. So the

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power shift, as I mentioned these are traditional selling was

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based on information asymmetry and the salesperson knew more than

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the buyer. Today, customers often know more about your product,

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your competitors, and your industry than your sales team does.

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They've done their research before they speak with you, and

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before they speak with the sales team. Second, the trust revolution,

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Traditional sales techniques were designed to control the conversation and

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lead customers to the predetermined conclusion. Today, these same techniques

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are instant trustkill because customers recognize and reject manipulation. And Third,

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the value evolution. Traditional selling focused on features and benefits.

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Today's customers are looking for something entirely different. They want insight, expertise,

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and strategic value. So let me share a quick case

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study that perfectly illustrates these shifts and how to adapt

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to them. So a B to B equipment supplier was

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struggling with declining sales despite having a strong product line

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and competitive prices. Their traditional sales approach, co calling, feature

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based presentations, and aggressive follow up was produced diminishing returns.

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Here's what they discovered when they analyzed their sales process.

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You know, once again, you know they have the data.

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They went out they figured that they have the math

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and the data to be able to make better decisions,

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something we business owners have to have to do if

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we're going to make better business decisions in this twenty

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first century that we modern business era that we live in.

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So here's what they discovered when they analyzed their sales process.

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Eighty two percent of prospects had already researched their products

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before contact. Ninety one percent view traditional sales presentations as

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a waste of time. That was their perception. Seventy six

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percent wanted insights about their industry, not product information. So

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this company implemented what they called the insight first framework,

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and so step one of this framework was knowledge development.

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They created detailed industry analysis reports, They developed specific insights

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for each market segment, and they built a database of

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industry specific challenges and solutions that the salespeople can draw from.

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Step two communication transformation or communication changes. They replaced cold

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calls with insight based outreach. They changed sales presentations into

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strategic consultations, and they developed industry specific value proposition propositions.

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So essentially here like for example, changing sales presentations into

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strategic consultations, that was more specific industry insight. And then

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step three was process redesigned. They implemented a consultive discovery process.

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They created value based proposal templates based around this industry insight,

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and they developed return on investment calculation tools and the

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results were pretty significant. The close rate increase from twelve

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percent to thirty seven percent, their average deal size grew

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by sixty four percent, and the sales cycles shortened by

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forty one percent. The key insight they stopped selling and

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started solving problems. Ooh, position of market dominance, and they

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converted their sales team from product experts into industry experts. Now,

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let me take a deeper dive into the technical aspects

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of this change. Because the equipment supplier developed a knowledge

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value matrix which was a systematic approach to changing the interaction.

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So number one was industry knowledge depth. So they created

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a four tier knowledge classification system that the first tier

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had basic industry knowledge, second operational expertise, third strategic insight,

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and fourth future trends analysis. And for each tier they

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developed specific knowledge requirements and testing protocols, and the sales

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team members had to demonstrate proficiency at each level before advancing,

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so this was almost like a built in training program.

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The second was value communication framework. They developed a structured

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approach to value communication where they had problem quantification, direct

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cost impact, indirect cost impact, operational cost analysis, and risk

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assessment metrics. And inside this value communication framework, they also

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did solution modeling which include ROI calculation templates and risk

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mitigation strategies. And then they developed a digital integration system

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where they created a digital infrastructure to support this new approach,

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and then they had all the performance metrics and so

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this technical infrastructure allowed them to systemize their new approach

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and make it repeatable across their entire sales organization. Tricky,

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are there any questions from the audience?

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Michael, Look, you've struck a chord with a number of

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the insights that you've shared thus far, and yes, we

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do have quite a few questions. Let's go with this one. So, like, look,

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many of our listeners are probably wondering about their current

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sales team. Right, So the concept of the death of

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the traditional selling process, Now, how would you advise that

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they transition their traditional salespeople into this new approach without

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losing their top and their best performers.

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Okay, you know that's a genius question. That's great. The

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key to the key to start with your the key

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is to start with the top performers and let them

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lead by example. In the B to B equipment supplier

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case study we discussed, they begin by just having their

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best sales people create small wins using the new approach,

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and I think it's a process and these early successes

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created natural momentum, and they found that their top performance

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actually embraced the change because it gave them a competitive advantage.

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And the key is showing them how the new approach

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helps them close bigger deals with less resistance. And actually

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one of their top salespeople who they tested and went

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from fifteen percent closed rate to forty two percent in

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just sixty days, and so it was it was really productive.

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You know. I keep saying the same thing with respect

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to all of these strategies that we talk about, is

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that what great advantage that we business owners have is

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that we get to test these things. And that's exactly

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what this equipment supplier did. They tested all of these

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theories that they had, and they were able to do

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it with one or two of their top salespeople. Any

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other questions SHOOKI.

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Yes, so we've got one here, and this has to

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do with the shift in sales. So you talk about

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the three major shifts in sales, the power shift, the

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trust revolution, and then the value evolution. Look, which of

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these do you think businesses will struggle with the most.

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From our experience, it's the trust revolution and that's the

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most challenging. Yeah. It requires the deepest mindset change. You know,

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many salespeople have been trained to control the conversation, but

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today that approach destroyers trust. The solution is to shift

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from a presentation mindset to an exploration mindset. For example,

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one company replaced their standard pitch deck with what they

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call insight conversations, sharing once again industry specific data and trends,

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then exploring implications together with the prospect, and their sales

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cycle actually short by forty percent because they built trust faster.

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The other thing is that the position of market dominance

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by creating one that generates trust because you're identifying the

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and that is a real enforcement of trust. Well, thank

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two six three A two two. Welcome back. And so

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today we're talking about why traditional selling is failing and

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the new sales methodologies that should be implemented. So now

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that we understand and the first segment was why traditional

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selling is failing, let's explore the new methodology that's replacing it.

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And we call this the value Framework, and it's actually

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a mnemonic BA LUE. The V is for vision, the

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A is for authority, the L is for learning, the

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US for understanding, and the E is for execution. Now

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let me break down each component and then share a

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case study of how this works in practice. So the

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vision is instead of pushing products, you need to help

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customers and vision a better future. This means understanding their

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strategic objectives and showing you how you can achieve them

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or showing the prospect how they can achieve them. Authority

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position yourself as that industry expert, not just a product

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expert share insights, trends and strategic perspectives that demonstrate your expertise.

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The L is for learning, make your sales process a

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mutual learning experience. You learn about their business while teaching

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them new ways to think about their challenges. US for understanding,

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So focus on understanding the customer's entire ecosystem, not just

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their immediate needs. This allows you to identify opportunities that

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they might have missed, and then the E for execution

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create a clear actional path from their current state to

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this desired future state. So let me go through the

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methodology again. It's called Value framework and it's the new

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sales methodology VS for vision, as for authority, LIS for learning,

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US for understanding an E execution. So let me share

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a case study of how this works in practice. So

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a traditional office equipment dealer's sales team was using the

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standard approach the features, advantages and benefits and competitive pricing.

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Their closed rate was fifteen percent and profit margins were shrinking.

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They then implemented the value framework, so for vision, they

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created detailed future state analysis for each prospect to help

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clients visualize their potential and create emotional buy in second,

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under vision, they developed industry specific road maps to demonstrate

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clear and achievable paths to success tailed to each industry.

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And then the third bullet under vision is they built

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visualization tools for return on investment and outcomes to make

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abstract benefits tangible and quantifiable for decision makers. Then, with

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respect to authority, they published industry insight reports to establish

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credibility and demonstrate deep industry expertise. So this is whether

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it was on a blog or some type of newsletter.

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They created educational content to position the company as a

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thought leader and trusted advisor. And they developed benchmark databases

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to provide concrete evidence and comparative data for decision support.

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Under learning, they implemented structured discovery processes to uncover hidden

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opportunities and challenges. Systematically, they created knowledge sharing workshops to

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facilitate mutual understanding and build collaborative collaborative relationships. They developed

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collaborative planning tools to engage clients in the solution development

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process and a buy in. Then, from an understanding perspective

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BA l U, this is the U and Understanding built

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comprehensive needs assessment tools to identify both stated and unstated

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client requirements. And then they created an ecosystem mapping process

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to understand how changes impact the entire client organization, and

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they developed an impact analysis framework to quantify the ripple

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effects of proposed solutions across the business. Then, with respect

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to the execution, they created detailed implementation roadmaps to provide clear,

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actionable steps for solutions deployment. They developed risk mitigation strategies

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to address concerns proactively and build confidence in the solution.

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And then they built progress tracking systems to ensure accountability

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and demonstrate ongoing value creation. So there was a lot

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of insight into the industry here, whether it was sharing

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information through blogging or newsletters or internally to help train

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the salespeople. And the result after six months is their

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close rate increased forty three percent, their average deal sides

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went up eighty seven percent, profit margins improved by thirty

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two percent, and customer retention increased two ninety four percent.

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And the key was moving from a transition of transactional

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focused approach, would change focused approach where it was basically

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industry focused, I think would be a better word for that. Uh,

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And so took any questions from the audience.

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Yeah, so it's funny you're getting some electronic head nods

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on some of those points. There is a you know,

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one kind of chuckle worthy point here, Michael, we hope

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there's no spelling bee uh pop quizes all this modic.

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That's right, really important question, I think probably a challenging

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question when implementing the value framework. What a number of

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business owners are wondering is, Michael, which of those components

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would show the fastest impact on results.

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The authority component you see typically that shows the quickest return, Chookey.

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When the office equipment company implemented the framework, they saw

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immediate results from their industry insight reports, and a single

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report on office automation trends generated forty seven qualified leads

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in the first week. Why well, because it positioned in

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them as the experts rather than the vendor. And the

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key is sharing insights that help prospects think differently about

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their challenges and this builds a trust and credibility before

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you ever discussed your product to service.

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Yeah, I want to pick up what Yeah, I want

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to pick up on your point, Michael about thinking differently, right,

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and you said that as it relates to prospects. Now,

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the internal sales team would also have to think differently.

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